Wednesday, January 08, 2014

Talking Points- Broadcast Booth & HoF

Talking Point 1: Broadcast Booth
Gary "Sarge" Matthews and Chris Wheeler will no longer be in the broadcast booth doing Phillies games.  My quick opinion- Wheels is annoying, but has tremendous knowledge of the game and his memory of events/games is amazing.  He's been in the booth since 1977.  My childhood is officially over, as Wheels is out and both Whitey and Harry have passed away.  Replacing him isn't a horrible idea, but they damn well better put somebody worthy in his place.  Sarge, on the other hand, sucked.  I felt dumber for listening to his inane uttering and insistence on saying "for me" upteen times per telecast.  Thank you Comcast for ridding us of him, my ears thank you.

Weird thing, T-Mac remains.  WTF?!  Seriously, what the h-e-double hockey sticks?!  Tom McCarthy is an ass clown, a no talent, maggot of an ass clown.  Sorry, had to get that off my check.

Talking Point 2: Hall of Fame Results
In- Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, and Frank Thomas.  All three obviously deserved it. 

Special Notes- Cragin Biggio fell two votes short, and that is bullshit.  Jack Morris failed to gain entry in his 15th and final year on the ballot, which was the correct decision.

Out (but should be in, in my opinion)- Mike Piazza, Jeff Bagwell, Mike Mussina, Jeff Kent and Tim Raines.

Out (and not quite good enough in my opinion)- Larry Walker, Alan Trammell, Curt Schilling, Edgar Martinez, and Fred McGriff.

Alright, discuss....

22 comments:

C.M.R. said...

rafael palmiero will never be in the hall of fame. period.

Bob D said...

Bring back Scott Graham

Andrew said...

How is Jeff Kent much different from Dale Murphy (who just got booted after 15 years)?

Bob D said...

Dale Murphy was one of the top HR hitters of his time, usually competing with Schmidt thru the 80's and Dave Kingman (who had a low BA) Murphy didn't really keep hitting long enough. But to me he is a fringe Hall of Famer.

Andrew said...

Exactly, so I guess my questions is why isn't Kent more of a fringe guy? I see lots of people considering him a lock for the HOF

Andrew said...

Another questions: When Schilling eventually makes it in (and I think he will) what cap does he wear? Spent 9 seasons in Philly, more than any other city, but won WS in both Arizona and Boston...

GM-Carson said...

Kent is one of the best offensive second baseman of all time. That's Hall worthy.

Schilling better wear a Phillies cap.

Andrew said...

So Kent's position separates him from the similar stats of Murphy, who was an OF mostly? Even if Kent wasn't known for his defensive ability and Murphy was?

Preserve Jon said...

Kent plays the right position. No other reason.

Morak99 said...

Schilling will wear a Phillies Cap. Now that the Hall and not the player chooses, that's consistently what what they've done, the most seasons, not the most memories, is whose cap you wear. (See: Andre Dawson in as an Expo, not a Cub).

GM-Carson said...

In terms of Hall of Fame criteria, i believe players should be compared to othets at the same position and during the same time period.

Andrew said...

Ok, thats what I'm getting at. Obviously pitchers are on a different scale than position players, but why should an OF get treated differently than a 2B in terms of offensive stats alone? Throw in defensive stats and I agree. But simply looking at seasons at the plate, I don't see why players at different positions get added bonus points for playing a more defensively demanding position.

GM-Carson said...

To gain entry into the HoF you should have been one of the best at your position for a good 7 year stretch. This is how i view it. Dale Murphy is like Fred McGriff to me, ver goid but not great.

Bob D said...

When deciding who should be in HOF, the player should be a top player at his position for an extended time roughly a decade, give or take a few years. The longer he was a top player - the easier it is to select him.

Like Jeff Kent, was he one of the top 2B of his time? Was he a top player during his time? Was he a top player all time? And was he a top player at his position all time?

Jack Morris was a really good pitcher but he was not dominate. He pitched consistently good for a long time ('79-'92) and did rack up good stats 254 W - 186 L. But his ERA was usually mid to upper 3's, Career ERA 3.90. He missed the HOF. He was not considered a great pitcher.

Roy Halladay is considered the best pitcher of his time, primarily 2001 to 2011 he was dominate. Now will he get in HOF in a few years? His final stats show us 203 W - 105 L, 3.38 ERA. For Roy I would say he should go.

Morris in top 10 for Cy Young 7 times, vs Halladay Cy Young twice, 2nd twice, 3rd once, and 5th twice.

It cannot be easy for the voters

Morak99 said...

The problem with Morris's case is that the arguments people make are not true. SABR people have statistically demonstrated he did not pitch to the score. Despite, reputation, he clearly was not able to prevent runs at a HOF level. He played only for good teams.

Now, Was he the best pitcher of the 80's? No, and people only say that because the 80s' were a historically horrible time for starting pitchers at all. At no point was he the best pitcher in baseball, the problem is most that were better at any given time were not pitching the whole decade. Blyven was the better pitching the whole decade. In the early 80's you had Carlton still, Dave Stieb, and Fernando Valenzuela. Later, you have Clemens, Orel Hershiser, David Cone, and Bret Saberhagen.

That being said, if Morris was inducted, he would be better than at least 20 players in now. He's closer than I make him sound but I don't think he's HOF worthy.

Morak99 said...

I agree with everyone on McGriff and Murphy. One guy who I really think should be in that gets overlooked is Larry Walker. He was good before and after he played in Colorado so it wasn't just that making him a great hitter, plus he was awesome defensively. I think he's really underrated.

SirAlden said...

I absolutely agree with your Hall of Fame list!

Bloody Sox Schilling was a blow hard every time he opened his mouth, egotist who then lost most of the money he earned and millions of tax Rhode Island's tax dollar with his game company.

I do think he carried 3 teams into the World Series. So he may make it in. I would vote for the Bastard. lol

Bob D said...

I feel Pete Rose should be in too....Let that argument now start LOL!

Andrew said...

On Pete Rose - absolutely, no question, he should be in

Although I do understand why he's not. He broke an MLB rule (as opposed to the pre-2003 roiders who just broke federal laws, in some cases). Now if down the line people like Manny or ARod or Braun get in (who roided after it was an MLB rule), then we have to go back for sure and argue for Rose.

Bob D said...

For those fearing the loss of Mini Mart spelled DOOM, fear not Ronnie/Rodger/Robby Cedano has been signed. He will be starting shortly

Morak99 said...

I'm going to hope that that ends up a la Yuniesky Betancourt.

God damn Ruben please do something competent!

GM-Carson said...

Wasn't Ronny Cedeno a Phillie for like 3 seconds last spring?