I don't get it. We coulda had Madson for 6 less million. Whatever.
Madson > Tebo... I mean Papelbon No me likey
was this really necessary?
Isn't Papelbon kind of a jerk too? I don't understand this move...
New Phillies fan group: PAPelbon's Smears.
People that think Ryan Madson is better than Papelbon are ignoring stats and many consistent years of closing for him compared to Madson's 1 year of success.I hate the contract and wonder who is now the shortstop (Freddy Galvis...shudder).Also, I predicted 4 yr/$50M for Papelbon a few days ago. I Should Be a GM.
Stolen, oops, I mean borrowed, from BeerLeaguer:"Whether you look at last season, the last three seasons, or their entire careers, Papelbon has a much higher K/IP than Madson. ...Papelbon has proven that he can close out games in October with a 1.00 ERA over 18 career playoff games. He has pitched 27 playoff innings and given up a run in exactly one of those."
Papelbon is the better pitcher. Stats show that. Also, think about the lineups he's faced in the AL East compared to that Madson has. Papelbon has been great in the closer's role. Not many have ever been better than him over an extended period of time.
Pap was the best option. If we had to pay out the nose, at least pay for the best out there. I wish it was 3 years, but whatever.
Over paid for sure, but I will never complain about the Phillies spending lots of money to get the best players out there. He's a great pitcher I'm glad he's on the Phillies.
go ahead and add 20-30 minutes to the average length of a Phillies game now
Anyone Remember what Dubee said at the beginning of the year about Madson Closing?Something like. He's had a number of chances... I think we will stick with Bastardo.Here it is "But again, there’s nothing that Ryan’s done other than his ability – he may have the ability to close as far as his stuff is concerned, but he has not gotten to the point where he would be a guy that we could rely on yet because he hasn’t proven that. Could he prove it at some point? Sure. Could he be a closer at some point? Perhaps. But there’s nothing in his career so far that has shown us that he’s ready to take that step forward."Papelbon 10 mil too much. But way better than Madson.
You don't think this past season was good enough to prove he could close, Alden?? Sure, its no guarantee he can have future success, but I disagree with you and say that Madson is totally ready for the job. He spent several years successfully pitching the 7-8 inning. And then 32 saves this season... I wouldn't pay him what he's asking. I wouldn't pay Papelbon what he got either because paying for closers is stupid (anyone who plays fantasy baseball will know this first hand)
I'm tempted to agree with Andrew. Madson showed a lot of maturity this past season. Asked to fill a role, and was successful in it. Bringing a new guy in is great but how does he fit in with this club. Philly is not the Red Sox or the Yankees. Sure the attendance is there, sure the fan support is there, but this club doesn't roll elite. And I rue the day where they try to fill those shoes in the majors.
i still say we should've promoted someone we already have. i wouldn't mind throwing bastardo out there into the closer's role just to see if he's up to it. he did a decent job in that role when given the chance, i thoguht, and up until the last few months of the season he's been awesome. even if papelbon saves every game he gets in like brad lidge did, it still wouldn't justify that contractalso the new marlins uniforms own.
50 million for Papelbon or 40 million for Madson. Those are our choices? How about 4 million in arbitration to Craig Kimbrel. Why don't we have choices like that? 31 year old closers. This whloe team is 31 or over. Our rookies (Chris Coste) are 31. This team isn't win now...it's win yesterday. I'm scared.
We are the Yankees of the NL. Spend recklessly. Buy seemingly anything we want. Old. Winners.
I hope somebody tells this guy that we (Phils) don't drink beer, eat fried chicken and play XBox before heading out to the pen in the sixth.
I remind you that in 2009 we had the worst closer in history and still made the World Series... hence paying big bucks for closers is still stupid.
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