What are Madson's other offers???I'm guessing nothing close to thatIts not my $$$$ but the ticket prices have gone up by $3 a seat (wow) and it may effect bringing in another quality player
2015 the posts on here will be: can't wait till the Phils can cut loose Madson during the offseason4years??? I'd consider upto 3 myself but I'm not GM.
Amaro overpays and outbids himself again.Signing an ancient Jamie Moyer to a 2 year deal that was way more than any other team would have given him.Extended Howard, in what might end up being one of the worst contracts in recent memory. Howard would be pressed to get a guaranteed 2 year deal worth $10M a season coming off that injury, let alone 5 years at $125M.Locking up a mediocre 4/5th starter in the form of Joe Blanton for 3 years at unreasonable money per season.3 years $30M to an old outfielder in Ibanez.2 years $5.25M to Baez.2 years to Ross Gload.2 years to Brian Schneider.2 years to Contreras.Now guarantees Madson 4 years and $11M per. That's crazy. How'd that past contact with Lights Out Lidge work? Oh yeah, it didn't!
also don't understand after only 1 season of being a closer Madson is now labeled "elite". People talk about small sample sizes all the time. Well, up to this season Madson was a disaster in save situations, but in 2011 he did extremely well. Now the Phils are locked into him for 4 years and $44M counting on he'll continue the success he shown for only 1 year. I just don't know...
I would have been ok with 30 mil for 3 years. 44 mil is retarded. 4 years for a reliever not named Rivera is retarded. I can only imagine how much money they would give J-stroll is this is what they gave Madson.That being said......I'm glad Madson is coming back.
I'd have given him more like 3 years, 30 million myself. That said, I think going after Bell or Papelbon would have cost us even more money, and I don't feel like gambling until we find a closer in our own system next season. By the end of Madson's contract the Phils won't be contenders anymore no matter what, so if he can perform for two years I'm happy.
Dislike contract, but like that Madson returns.SS is my major concern. Phils can't afford to lose more offense. Utley is in decline. Mayberry is unproven. Ruiz and Vic are decent. Who knows what Howard will give. Polly is shot. Pence is nice. But minus Rollins, that offense becomes very depressing.
3,000,000 x $3 more per ticket plus higher ceiling = Rubin feeling even more flush than usual. I dunno.
I agree that Ruben is Negotiating with himself.4 @ $44 Mil is 1 year and 2-3 Mil per year too much.
The Phillies have become the Yankees of the National League, spending with reckless abandon and buying championships (or trying to).
WOULD THEY JUST SIGN HIM ALREADY?!
Seems like the deal might not go down now. Phils have second thoughts and also pursuing Papelbon.
11 million a year for a guy to face three batters every third night and with one good year piled on several bad years closing? I wouldn't have offered more than 3 years. But need a closer. I dunno. This contract stinks in my opinion especially after blanton, lidge, baez, romero etc. That's a lot of bad pitchers signed recently.
Rather have Nathan at 2yr/$8mil (total) and grab another freeagent with savings
Amen to that!Nathan is gonna have a big bounce back year with whoever he signs with.
Agreed on Nathan. He just had a rough year imo. Guy was tits before that.
The only thing I wanna say about Nathan is that he has gotten jacked up in the postseason a bit.
But relievers are hit & miss from year to year. Even Madson can be.In 1-3 years DeFrautus, Schwimmer, Aumont, Bastardo, and possibly Stutes could be good enough to close. They all have tremendous potential. Look at the Braves who have a yound and inexpensive bullpen that produces - the Phils can do that the next few years. At least 3 of those above should be very good quality relievers
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