Wednesday, July 06, 2011

Michael Martinez: Blind Squirrel


2 games in Florida and all of a sudden Michael Martinez is worth a pinch of poop? Nope. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.

From yesterday's The Zo Zone:
Got a tweet from a Phillies fan last night saying the Phillies needed to cut Michael Martinez … on the night he got the game-winning hit. My Lord. I understand the frustration, but a little perspective, please. I remember when So Taguchi hit .220 as the team’s fifth outfielder in 2008. I remember when Eric Bruntlett hit .171 and Matt Stairs hit .194 in 2009. I remember when Greg Dobbs hit .196 last season. The 25th man on the roster is not going to cost this team a trip to the playoffs or the World Series. Yes, it’s ideal to have a more productive player in that spot, but there are bigger issues surrounding this team. Is it frustrating? Yes. Is it worth being that angry about? No.

My Response:

Todd, I love you man, but your point on Michael Martinez is wrong. In the NL all 25 roster spots matter. I could understand the purpose of Martinez if the Phils didn’t have Wilson Valdez, but they do, so Martinez is pointless.

You mentioned all those other guys as not hurting the team, but Martinez is worse than all of them. OPS is more telling than batting average and Martinez is lower than all of the players you mentioned. OPS 2010 Dobbs- .583, 2009 Stairs- .735, 2009 Bruntlett- .462, 2008 Taguchi- .580, 2011 Martinez- .457.

He’s versatile, that’s it. He is 28 years old with 5 minor league seasons under his belt and a .263 average and .683 OPS.

The Phils pitchers deserve better pinch hit options.

*Here's some memories of the 1993 World Series I contributed to the site Philly Sports History.

32 comments:

Corey said...

so the 25th man doesn't matter at all. so, then does the 24th man matter? what about the 23rd man? tell me, great baseball minds, where does relevance begin?

GM-Carson said...

From the last man in the bullpen to the last player on the bench, they all matter.

Wouldn't it be better to have someone better than Baez Sucks as the last option in relief?

Wouldn't it be better to have someone better than Michael Martinez off the bench?

The answer to both is yes. Complacency leads to being overthrown.

Preserve Jon said...

I was wondering if you read Zo's post.

You guys are rough. Throw the man a bone.

I understand your frustration with MiniMart, but I continue to point out that he will prove (has proven?) his value at some point during the season. Every person on the roster will contribute at a point during the season. I thought Zo's point about So Taguchi is directly applicable.

GM-Carson said...

Of course every player will contribute at some point during the season, odds are nearly 100% that will be the case if you're on the roster all season long and get playing time. My point is that the Phils should have someone with a greater chance at contributing more often than Martinez does.

Bob D said...

Well most feel that if the 25th man on the bench was say - Mayberry or Young or such the team would have had more production. So what if you lose him back to Nats, he wont be in majors next year unles JRoll darts to west coast and he's the starting SS - Oh wait thats even scarier.
Instead of our starters throwing a complete game loss of 1-0 or 2-1, we may have won some of those games with a better bat on the bench

SirAlden said...

Here is another take on Martinez, and may help in understanding why.

He is super fast, faster than Victorino. Last night's catch in foul territory was incredible.

Cholly said that he a play that he saw Martinez make at Shortstop during Spring Training was the Greatest Play he ever saw - Charlie has seen many plays in his lifetime.

He said it was better than Omar Vizquel who is considered by some to be the greatest fielding Shortstop of all time.

The Phillies hit Lightening with Shane Victorino who was sent to AAA for an extra year, last year they held onto Herndon for the whole year so they could have the chance to move him up and down from AAA.

Freddie Galvis in AA does not have the same range or speed and had just begun to hit in AA. Valdez has a gun, but his range is very low and has low range factors. J-Roll is declining and who knows if he signs at the 5 mil per year he is now worth.

Martinez hit for 1/2 year in AAA last year.

Michael Bourne was the #25 with his speed, and Martinez is Faster and plays every position.

Good Pitching and Defense behind that Pitching beats Good Hitting.
I bet once we get to Playoff time you will see Martinez as a Defensive replacement for somebody every 8th and 9th inning.

Just the other side of the coin, the Speed and Defense takes away more hits and scores more small ball runs vs. the 25th man making more hits.

GM-Carson said...

For someone who is so f'n fast, why hasn't he stolen a base yet this season?

And I remember Eric Bruntlett being a late inning defensive replacement for Burrell and it coming back to bite the Phils in the ass numerous times because Burrell's spot in the lineup would come back around in crucial spots, but there was Bruntlett to get out instead.

ACSmitty79 said...

Where's the Pirates love? We're spending all this time on a craptastic player like Mike Martinez. The Buccos are only this good once every 20 years.

GM-Carson said...

I'm scared to spread Pirates love out of fear of jinxing them. I'm still not sure how the Buccos are pulling it off.

ripjgarcia said...

Pirates have decent pitching. That's pretty much it.

SirAlden said...

He is faster than Victorino GM Carson.

He is the best defensive player on the team.

I am just 'splainin' Lucy why they like him.

GM-Carson said...

FloJo is fast, wanna sign her?

GM-Carson said...

Yep, the 25th man on the roster doesn't matter. He's only starting his 3rd straight game. Ugh! Can't wait to see what great stuff he does at the plate tonight. Michael Martinez sucks. There's no other way to put it. His superior speed and spectacular defense (in the words of Sir Alden) don't amount to shit.

ripjgarcia said...

FloJo? Was that one of the Golden Girls?

ripjgarcia said...

Herndon is now horrible again.

SirAlden said...

Did you just see that 5-4-3 Double Play started by Michael Martinez in the bottom of the 7th?

Saved the Game.

SirAlden said...

Runs prevented are just as valuable as Runs scored.

Ask Doc Halladay.

Corey said...

i just asked doc. he says he doesn't know but he's sure michael martinez sucks.

Anonymous said...

Mayberry's Howard might threaten the winning Howard streak.

Corey said...

what do you think the marlins pitching coach said to nunez after he walked michael martinez? it couldn't have been too flattering...

Corey said...

baez entering the game in the 9th inning of a tie game? it's over. i'm not even going to watch.

ripjgarcia said...

SirAlden.. I've bit my typing fingers all day long.. but seriously, I hope your being sarcastic, cause otherwise your smoking crack.. and I don't wish that on anyone.

GM-Carson said...

I blame that loss on Manuel. You could see he was antsy to get to the bullpen and lift Kendrick from the game. Why? Kendrick is a better bet that Herndon or Carpenter for shit's sake. He could have gotten another inning or two out of KK and then not had to rely on the bullpen so much. Charlie really irks me sometimes with his stubbornness.

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