Wednesday, June 30, 2010

The Prospects In The Trades

Traded to get Cliff Lee
Carlos Carrasco – Columbus (AAA) – 6-3, 4.26 ERA, 1.34 WHIP, 73 K, 29 BB
Lou Marson – Cleveland - .191, 1 HR, 12 RBI
Jason Donald – Cleveland - .277, 2 HR, 17 RBI
Jason Knapp – recovering from shoulder surgery, has not pitched in 2010
The once "untouchable" Carrasco is now looked at as a mid-rotation starter. Donald and Marson are going to be average Major League players. Knapp is coming back from his surgery soon and according to a recent article from Randy Miller, the Indians see him as a future closer. Not a bad haul for the Indians but definately worth it to the Phils to have Cliff Lee for a World Series run.

Traded to get Roy Halladay:
Kyle Drabek – New Hampshire (AA) – 7-7, 3.26 ERA, 1.34 WHIP, 72 K, 41 BB
Michael Taylor – Sacramento (AAA) - .253, 3 HR, 38 RBI
Travis d’Arnaud – Dunedin (A) - .285, 5 HR, 29 RBI
It's way to0 early to make any conclusions about this trade and these prospects. I'm surprised Taylor is struggling this much and both Drabek and d'Arnaud have had periods of ineffectiveness. But like I said, way too early...

Traded to get Joe Blanton:
Josh Outman – Oakland –-Tommy John surgery...
Adrian Cardenas – (combined AA & AAA) - .297, 1 HR, 20 RBI (note: .426 in 61 AB in AA, .228 in 114 AB in AAA)
We've all heard of AAAA players before, but Baseball America called Cardenas a 2 1/2 A player. He tears up AA pitching but the jump to AAA seems to get him. His '09 and '10 stints in AAA have been miserable. Good news for Oakland, he only 22. Outman is still four weeks from returning to throwing after his TJ surgery. He's gotten platelet rich plasma injections and has returned to see Dr. James Andrews. He was 4-1 with a ERA under 4 before getting hurt last year. His future is completely up in the air.

Received for Cliff Lee:
Frenchy – (combined AA & A) -1-7, 7.01 ERA, 1.81 WHIP, 38 K, 38 BB
JC Ramirez – (combined AA & A) – 5-4, 4.31 ERA, 1.28 WHIP, 62 K, 21 BB
Tyson Gillies – Reading (AA) - .238, 2 HR, 6 RBI, 2 SB
Unlike the Halladay deal, it's not too early to determine that this trade sucks. Not only do the Phillies not have Lee, but they are stuck with three useless minor league players. Mark my words, none of these three will every be a productive player for the Phillies.


Bob D said...

Hmmmm Marson or D'Arnaud instead of Sanhedrin?

Donald or Cardenas instead of Bocock?

But to have Halladay and Lee (1/2year) it looks like it was worth it.

Lee had another complete game yesterday and that would have been nice to have instead of always hurt Gilles and control problem Aumont. Ramirez isnt bad but he doesnt seem to be a top prospect.

ACSmitty79 said...

This post finally made me pissed at Rube cus it laid it all out. Sure it's not all said and done but it grossly boils down to:

Seattle essentially stole Cliff Lee from us (or Rube gave him away depending on your outlook) after we gave up 2-3 serviceable MLB starters for him.

Rube said we did the trade to restock the minors, but hell he stocked it with hot garbage.

Dr. Steve said...

This isn't Phuture Phillies. The pitchers we got for Lee are currently learning a new system, and there is no reason to look at their numbers as evidence of their full capability. They're out there trying new pitches like its Spring Training, not trying to win games.

Corey said...

i guess WSBGMs has something in common with those prospects in the lee trade - none of us are phuture phillies.

GM-Carson said...

Phillippe Aumont has been shit this year. You can sugarcoat it with any excuse you want, but in the end it's still shit.

Dr. Steve said...

My argument is that he is not trying to be anything other than shit. That right now, working on mechanics is more important than winning games.

GM-Carson said...

Dr. Steve- results matter in the minors when you're sporting a 7-something ERA.

GM-Carson said...

Another loss, yeah. This team is not making the playoffs.

Andrew said...

Damn, another wasted outing today. Roy did uncharacteristically give up 4 runs, but I'm thinking 3 runs/game is what to normally expect from this patchwork roster for the next 2-3 weeks. Yeah, I too think its an outside chance that we make the playoffs. Right now I'd put us at about 30% to make it. Still too early to commit either way.

Scottie said...

Lee pitched a complete game last night while allowing four earned runs. Roy gave up four runs today. Lee got a victory, Roy did not. The difference? Lee's offense picked him up, Roy's didn't.

Dr. Steve said...

NO SCOTTIE. LISTEN TO THE GMS. Clearly, the issue with this team is pitching, not hitting.

That's the one thing that makes me the most mad whenever this topic comes up. Our team ERA was like what, at least in the top five for the MLB all year. PITCHING IS NOT WHY WE SUCK. You can whine about Cliff Lee all day long, but better pitching isn't going to save this team.

GM-Carson said...

Dr. Steve- Corey wants more pitching, that's his stance. I think offense is the problem. The GMs are split on this one.

Corey said...

like they always say, offense wins championships...