Friday, September 18, 2009

Nobody Puts Charlie In A Corner



Corey

13 comments:

GM-Carson said...

This is beautiful on so many levels. One of those levels being creepy.

No Bowa for the Magic #?

Andrew said...

yikes, where did the braves come from?

Charlie is so graceful

Corey said...

yes, no bowa.

GM-Carson said...

Braves winners of 7 straight against the Phils, who are winners of 5 straight, starting a 3 game series in Atlanta tonight.

Andrew said...

How would you respond:

I have a coworker who is a huge Phillies fan. We were just talking about the team and I mentioned how brilliant Pat Gillick was for the Phils (as well as all the other teams he GMed) and my friend argued that PG was terrible and he was glad to see him go. He said we won because of what Ed Wade set up and that Amaro is awesome now. He cited the Adam Eaton fiasco and said PG had more busts than wins. I proceeded to say despite Wade being GM during the signings of most of the core team, PG pushed us over the edge with brilliant signings like Werth, Moyer, Lidge, Romero, Dobbs and, if you think he's still involved like I do, Ibanez. He still held fast and is glad PG is gone. I solidly disagreed.

GM-Carson said...

I'm not going to lie, I'll never forget the Eaton fiasco, and it will always remain a strike against Patty G, but seriously, the man engineered a World Series championship squad, you can't take that away from him.

Wade was a total douche, and I just read some stories about him letting players dictate stuff to him during his tenure. Stuff like Harry couldn't ride in the back of the bus or plane because Wade listened to some no-name like Chris Brock and other shit like that. Gillick also did a good job of building up the farm system, something Ed Wade left completely depleted.

Jay Ballz said...

You guys are on a roll!

Andrew said...

I feel like in PG's three years (he was here for 3, right?) the Eaton deal was the only negative. Any other signings that didn't pan out, were low risk anyway. And some low risk signings like Werth and Dobbs panned out to be brilliant. Wade may have signed some amazing players, but he did give Patty Cake a terrible contract that, although worked out in the very end, should never have been offered. Plus, gotta give most of the credit for draft picks to the scouts anyway.

Corey said...

here's how i would respond - i would get a new job. where do you work, ACORN?

you can't argue that the bulk of the championship roster was in place before gillick. but how much credit should wade get for this? mike arbuckle had more to do with the 2008 phillies than ed wade. rollins in the second round, utley in the first, myers in the first, taking the risk on hamels, ryan howard in the 5th round.

nondrafted players that were signed/traded for by wade that were on the roster? i can't think of any. horrible signings/trades done by wade? plenty. ed wade wasn't winning a world series last year. look at what he did previous years when the phils were close to contending. NOTHING!

i would agree that gillick had plenty of bad moves. eaton, jenkins, freddy garcia, etc. but he did make the moves that put them "over the top" to win the WFC, so saying that the phils are better off without him is a big stretch. a WFC gets you some slack.

i would also agree that so far amaro has been awesome, but we need more than a one year to get a full assessment.

GM-Carson said...

Yes, Amaro has surpassed my expectations tenfold. Aside from guaranteeing Moyer 2 years and trading away catching depth, he's done a fantastic job. The Lee deal still amazes me, because we still get Cliff for another season. Getting Francisco as a throw-in was clutch too, because the Phils were in desperate need of a 4th outfielder in my opinion.

Andrew said...

forgot about freddy garcia... yeah, that sucked

Preserve Jon said...

My I add that Ben "Fourth Outfielder" Francisco seems to be invovled in an awful lot of outfield gaffe's lately. He seems to be a rather large chink in the armor when he's out there

GM-Carson said...

Francisco hasn't had much opportunity to meld with this group in the outfield. He's a good 4th outfielder and would start on many teams. He needs to get more frequent pinch hit duties and spot starts, but it's difficult to sit an All-Star outfielder (Ibanez, Vic, and Werth), are our starters have been going deep creating less PH opportunities.