Thursday, August 06, 2009

Best Option- Happ, Moyer, or Pedro?

Happ>Moyer>Pedro or Happ>Pedro>Moyer?

With JA Happ's 2nd complete game shutout of the season he hopefully cemented his place in the Phillies rotation. He currently ranks 6th in the NL in ERA (2.74) and 7th in WHIP (1.12). He has been the MVP of the Phils pitching staff. He's also lining himself up for a run at the NL Rookie of the Year award. If the Phils were to take him out of the rotation I would make it my personal crusade to riot the front office.

Jamie Moyer has never had an ERA below 3.27 in his 23 seasons, and currently sitting on a horrific 5.55 ERA. He's a great guy and professional in every sense of the word, so removing him from the rotation might come as disrespectful. Not to mention, he's still under contract for next season. Charlie Manuel pleads Moyer's case for a spot in the rotation by stating he has won 256 MLB games compared to Happ's 9. I love and appreciate everything he's meant to this organization over the past few seasons, but that does not mean he's exempt from criticism or demotion. Like Corey said yesterday, now is not the time for nostalgia.

Pedro Martinez who pitched 6 innings while allowing 4 runs, 3 earned, and struckout 11 in Reading last night seems ready for his return to the majors. I knew there would be this humongous debate over whose spot in the rotation he takes and my answer is- nobodies. Keep both Happ and Moyer in the rotation and let Pedro come up and go maximum effort for an inning or so at a time and see how his stuff pans out in relief. I think we all might just be surprised to see a Chan Ho Park-like outcome. Realistically Moyer and Pedro are going to give you a similar outing when starting: 5-6 ip, around 4 runs. Thing is, Pedro would likely be more effective in the bullpen compared to Moyer, because of their pitching repertoire. The Phils feel like they owe Moyer a spot in the rotation, and to an extent they do, but they don't owe Pedro jack-squat.

What would you do?
Rotation- Happ and Moyer, Bullpen- Pedro
Rotation- Happ and Pedro, Bullpen- Moyer
Rotation- Pedro and Moyer, Bullpen- Happ
  
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Day game to wrap up the 3 game set with Colorado. As Wheels would put it, "Worm-burner" Aaron Cook for the Rockies with Cliff Lee for the Phils making his Citizens Bank Park debut.

~Carson

33 comments:

GM-Carson said...

As long as Happ remains in the rotation, that's all I care about. Based on Pedro's mixed results in the minors so far, and his 2008 #'s, I think realistically Moyer and Pedro are going to give you about the same results when they start. However, like I said, Pedro's stuff seems to translate better to the bullpen, and he did say he'd do whatever it takes for this team.

Reverend Paul Revere said...

I agree that Pedro has a much better chance than Moyer to be effective in the pen, but to say the Phils owe Moyer a spot to an extent is, with all due respect, incorrect. They don't really owe him anything, other than the money left on his contract.

Yes, he did great things and all, but if you aren't getting the job done, you are owed squat. They stuck with him last season in the playoffs even when it was clear he wasn't getting it done … until Game 3 of the WS. That was the Phils showing their appreciation.

Corey said...

i agree with the last comment. moyer deserves to be treated fairly and respectfully by the phils, but other than that, they don't owe him anything. he's not getting the job done. if pedro is ready to thrown in a week, i say he gets a start with the big club. if he does well, moyer gets skipped. if he does poorly, then he goes to the bullpen or back to the minors with "shoulder fatigue" and gets antoher shot when deemed ready.

GM-Carson said...

Do I care if Moyer goes to the bullpen? Hell no! Do I care if Pedro goes to the bullpen? Hell no! Do I care if Happ goes to the bullpen? Hell yes!

My statement about the Phils owing Moyer a shot in the rotation stems from what I've been hearing Rube, Manuel, and Dubee say. It's not my deep-rooted feeling.

Bob D said...

Pedro dominated over 5 innings then let up 3 runs in the 6th with the help of 2 errors. He also struck out 7 of the first 11 hitters. I vote for him in the rotation over Moyer but he would (as Wheels would say) look good in the back end of the bullpen. Insurance for Lidge and Myers if he can not come back.

GM-Carson said...

Things are really going to get crazy once Condrey, Romero, Durbin, and Myers get healthy. In my opinion Tyler Walker has pitched decently, better than Durbin.

Andrew said...

In recent years, the Phils have always looked for a surplus of pitching. But this year its more like a deluge of pitching! I guess its a good problem to have, but hopefully good decisions are made.

ACSmitty79 said...

OK, so who's the dumbass Mets fan that voted to put Happ in pen on the above poll?

Corey said...

carson, first you agree that the phils owe moyer a spot in the rotation then turn around and say it isn't your feeling that they do. that sort of double speak should be reserved for politicians and general managers...

GM-Carson said...

Well, we should be gm's after all.

Aaron said...

DON'T F THIS UP PHILLIES. HAPP STAYS IN THE ROTATION MOYER GOES TO THE PEN FOR LONG RELIEF MOYER HAS ONE OF THE WORST ERA'S IN THE LEAGUE THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY DEBATE AT ALL

MOYER IS A GREAT GUY BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE A GREAT ERA.

GM-Carson said...

According to David Murphy via Twitter, Amaro stated Happ stays in the rotation with a 6-man rotation being a possibility.

GM-Carson said...

"Happ's not going anywhere. He's not going out of the rotation," Amaro said. "He deserves to stay in the rotation. He has pitched very well. He's one of our most effective starters."

"Why can't we go with a six-man rotation?" Amaro said.

"It depends how you utilize it," Amaro said. "You can be creative and set up the rotation so certain guys go every five days and other guys get pushed back. The fact of the matter is, we're not there yet. But we are in a situation where we have six starters, and we'll see how creative we can be."

Joshua Lattanzi said...

A six-man rotation may be good for guys like Hamels, but not as good for Blanton and Lee. I think maybe the Phils should go for 4 innings of Moyer/4 innings of Pedro. In this era of specialization, it's the future!

Bob D said...

with the 6 game lead a six man rotation could keep everyone sharper/less tired and a chance to evaulated Moyer/Pedro

GM-Carson said...

I could see a 6-man rotation with giving Pedro and Moyer many days off in between and once in a while bumping Hamels or someone else back a day. That's a lot of figuring out for Manuel and Dubee though.

Aaron said...

Amaro just said that Happ in NOT leaving the rotation.
And it sounds like they are going with a 6 man rotation.......i have no problem with this.

It gives your starters more rest keeping them fresher going into the playoffs.

Aaron said...

ohh you all beat me too it

GM-Carson said...

I like Cliff Lee.

ACSmitty79 said...

Homoles will love a 6-man rotation. It was probably his idea.

GM-Carson said...

Paul Bako with a homerun, holy crap.

J-Roll a homerun away from the cycle. I usually hate when he swings for the fence, but I hope he does so in his next at bat.

Corey said...

i want details on the paul bako homer. i'm guessing he bunted with an overthrow at first, then he tried to make it to third on and the throw from the rightfielder sailed into the stands and bako trotted home. that is the only way i see paul bako making it around the bases on a single swing.

GM-Carson said...

Sorry to disappoint Corey, but Bako's homerun was legit, not a little league homerun. He blasted it to just right of centerfield.

Lee, Madson, and Lidge...nice!

GM-Carson said...

Gnats were down 6-0 early to the Fish, but have come back to take the lead 10-8 in the 8th. The bigger the lead the Phils have on Florida heading into the weekend series the better.

Corey said...

washington is three outs away from sweeping the marlins and giving the phils at least a 7 game lead on everyone in the east.

GM-Carson said...

Remember the mid-to-late 90's and early 2000's? Damn it feels good to be a Phils fan right now!

GM-Carson said...

It was nice to find out Rockies relief pitcher Matt Daley and I have the same alumni in Bucknell. He's the first MLB player from there since ex-Phillie Eric Junge.

Aaron said...

Eric Junge sucks.

Aaron said...

This must have been what it was like to be a philies fan in the late 70's.
Damn this is awesome.....soak it in everybody, cause you never know when it's going to end.

Corey said...

are you sure you have the same alumni?

GM-Carson said...

You know what I meant, same alma mater.

Justin said...

Charlie's argument in that case doesn't really add up to a whole lot. Moyer has 256 wins, but that little piece of baseball trivia isn't going to get outs. Unless you astounded opposing hitters by shouting it to them from the pitcher's mound, and then struck them out during the moment of awe that followed. But you could accomplish the same thing just by telling people Moyer's age.

GM-Carson said...

I heard that Cy Young cat was a real good pitcher back in the day with something like 8 million wins. Lets dig him up and let him pitch.