Tuesday, December 09, 2008

Hot Stove Talk

The first mentionable rumor involving the Phillies came up yesterday, when Paul Hagen of the Daily News reported that the Phils have been kicking the tires on outfielder Delmon Young. Let's break down a possible Delmon Young trade.

Offense - Young has 353 hits (66 doubles) in two full seasons and he just turned 23 years old. His potential is unlimited...possibly. He has shown the ability to hit, but not with power. He has only 23 homers in the last two seasons. Young hit 51 homers in his two minor league seasons, so there is hope for developing a more powerful bat. However, 1200 at-bats is usually a pretty good sample size, so don't bet the farm he'll start hitting homers even in the friendly confines of The Cit. He also doesn't walk much, and has put up poor on-base numbers despite hitting for a high average.

Salary - Young is cheap. The Phils could fill there outfield vacancy for only a few hundred grand. Also, he only has two years of service time, so he would be under arbitration control for few more years.

Drama - He throws bats at umpires. He's described as "hardheaded and uncoachable" by David Murphy on his blog. Tampa got rid of him after only one full major league season and Minnesota may be willing to part with him now too. He doesn't sound like the kind of guy the Phils would want. But then again, who doesn't love a little drama? Remember T.O.? Remember how much fun that was? And even if he does act up a little, the Phils have such solid veteran leadership and good clubhouse guys that they may be able to keep a guy like Young in check. And he's had one uneventful year in Minnesota, maybe he's "turned the corner."

Price Tag - This rumor is still in it's infancy, but the name Jason Donald has already been thrown out there. The Twins gave up front line starter Matt Garza to get Young, so I expect they would want a lot more than just Jason Donald.

Conclusion - Rumors like this are fun, but I don't see it having a very long shelf life. Young has great potential but his troubled past and high price tag don't make him a great fit for the "WFC."

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Jamie Moyer Update
Ken Rosenthal was on Daily News Live last night and indicated that the Phils and Moyer may be close to agreeing to a deal like many of us have assumed. Rosenthal said Moyer is seeking a two year deal at $10+ million per year. The Phillies reportedly are only willing to give Moyer one year but pay him close to $10 million.

Now, if this report is close to the truth, it becomes even more odd that the Phillies didn't offer him arbitration. If Moyer would have accepted, he would have been given one year at approximately $10 million, which is exactly what the Phils are reportedly offering. If he walks, the Phils don't even get draft picks now...

Corey

25 comments:

dr. steve said...

Um, who would trade someone like Donald, who is almost a proven player, for someone with so many downsides?

GM-Carson said...

Delmon Young is younger than Jason Donald, and Delmon has already experienced MLB success, where as Donald hasn't even had a MLB at bat. I like Donald's potential, but right now Delmon is the proven commodity while Donald is completely unproven.

On Moyer- this is ridiculous. The dude is old, really f'n old. 2 years 20 million is an outrageous request. Hell, 1 year 1 million is silly in my opinion too. No way in hell he repeats last season's success, I'm expecting an era in the 4.75-5 area next season, and that ain't worth 10 mil. Amaro is really being played like a chump.

GM-Carson said...

The Dodgers signed Mark Loretta, reported target of Amaro.

Francisco Rodriguez looks close to a deal with the Mets...ugh!

GM-Carson said...

Hahaha- I just read the Phils may be getting themselves involved with the Cubs to land Jason Marquis. Just on Sunday out of my ass I pulled that rumor and now here it becomes real.

GM-Carson said...

That should have read "1 year 10 million is silly" not "1 year 1 million". 1 year 1 million would have been a steal.

From Phillies Insider by Larry Shenk- "The next day Rose was at the winter meetings for a jam-packed press conference. Pete had agreed to a 4-year, $3.2 million contract (New York Times, 12/6/78), making him the highest-paid player in the game. Pete, in his own way, described the money: "You could stack the money up and a show dog couldn't jump over it."

Rose's $800,000 contract pushed our 1979 payroll to $4.2 million, then a major league record. How the times have changed."

GM-Carson said...

Quick list of Phils rumors:
1. Phils send players to Cubs for Mark DeRosa (who can play 2nd and LF and bats righthanded). Those players are then shipped to San Diego in a package to land Peavey for the Cubs. Jason Marquis could also be sent to the Phils.

2. Phils are being aggressive with Derek Lowe.

3. Amaro still wants Moyer back, but his asking price is still too steep.

4. Juan Rivera and Raul Ibanez remain outfield targets.

5. Nick Punto met with the Phils twice yesterday and is scheduled to meet with them again today. My prediction- he signs a 2 year 4 million deal and plays like shit.

6. Phils at least checking out Delmon Young.

*Feel free to add to the list throughout the day.

GM-Carson said...

According to Kyodo News, So Taguchi's agent Alan Nero says the Astros are interested in his client. He's talked to five teams about the free agent outfielder.

Not only does Ed Wade look like a nutsack, he's apparently retarded too.

Bob D said...

The offer to Moyer is at 2 years $14mil, while he asks for 2 years $18mil. I'll predict he will get 2 year $16mil with incentives. Incentives include free AARP membership.

Amaro may still sign Lowe or another starter even if Moyer does resign.

GM-Carson said...

If you haven't entered Reason #102 to Love the Phillies in yesterday's thread, do so today, because enteries will no longer be accepted after tonight.

GM-Carson said...

Paul Hagen of the Philadelphia Inquirer says that as the Phillies' talks with Jamie Moyer drag on, they're looking at alternatives. They seem to have some kind of offer out to Derek Lowe. Hagen adds that they have some interest in Braden Looper while Randy Wolf is unclear.

GM-Carson said...

According to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe, a Phillies official denied the presence of a three-year offer for Derek Lowe. Does this mean they have two or four years on the table? Cafardo talked to another source who said Lowe likes the idea of pitching for Philly.

furiousBall said...

i also like the idea of D Lowe in pinstripes, although I haven't seen mention of it in the articles yet

JMS said...

I'm at the same time surprised and slightly optimistic at the lack of LF rumors.

Aaron said...

I hate every rumor I have heard so far except for D-Lowe. Every other rumor sucks and I don't want any of them to happen.

Ed Wade does look like a nut sac huh.

Bob D said...

If Baltimore is involved in the trade with the Cubs, Phils, Padres then Luke Scott could be the OF headed to Philly. Decent power (23Hrs) but strikes out alot (100+ in nearly 500 ABs) and a 257 BA i believe it was.

Happ is the prospect closest to major league ready (and a lefty), he is not the best pitching prospect the Phils have, but a very valuable trading chip if needed.

GM-Carson said...

This 4-team Peavy trade is gaining steam. Wouldn't be suprised to see JA Happ and Chris Coste on a different team by the end of the day with DeRosa becoming a Phillie somehow.

Bob D said...

You realize that if Coste is traded we will likely see some sort of platoon at catcher between Ruiz, Marson, and Jaramillo. Marson is very likely to be the starter.

Zach Martin said...

check your email, por favor.

GM-Carson said...

I'm not sure if Marson is ready to be a starter in the bigs, but he is ready for the bigs.

K-Rod signs with Mets, it's official. Dammit!

GM-Carson said...

Holy shit:
Former Phillie David Bell is going to manage for the first time, joining the Reds organization. He'll manage the Carolina Mudcats in the AA Southern League.

GM-Carson said...

Pat Burrell's agent Ed Hayes would be surprised if his client re-signs with the Phillies, as would most observers. Todd Zolecki believes the Phils' top three candidates to replace him in left field are Raul Ibanez, Mark DeRosa, and Juan Rivera.

GM-Carson said...

ESPN's Jayson Stark says the Phillies will not tread water to see if they get DeRosa from the Cubs. A friend of Ibanez told Stark the Phils are his first choice, so there seems to be mutual interest. The problem: the Cubs want Ibanez too and may not be willing to move DeRosa until they get their outfielder.

*Signing Ibanez would be a mistake. He can't field for crap and is slow just like Burrell. He has less power than Burrell and bats lefthanded...not what we need.

Dan said...

I do not want to trade anyone for Mark DeRosa...unless it's someone absolutely meaningless. There is no way that Happ or even Coste is worth 1 year of DeRosa. He's a schlub!

GM-Carson said...

Ah Dan, Coste for DeRosa would be a steal for the Phils, in fact they would likely be arrested for completing the deal.

NE Phillies Phan said...

Why we didn't sign Moyer: Cost Certainly. Its pretty clear that Amaro Jr. wants to have a budget pretty much set by mid-January and that wouldnt happen with arbitration cases.