Thursday, January 17, 2008

Phlashback Phriday: Winfield and Murray

If you noticed the lack of "Phillies" missing from the Phlashback Phriday title, that is because I'm continuing with non-Phillie baseball related topics for the week. At WSBGM's we normally aren't singing the praises of players on other teams (we're usually tearing them down), but today I want to take the opportunity to give a shout-out to two of my favorite non-Phillies of all-time: Dave Winfield and Eddie Murray. Baseball-Reference lists Murray as the most comparable player to Winfield and vice-versa. The similarities between their careers doesn't end there; each was drafted in 1973 (Winfield 1st round, Murray 3rd round), they both were 1st ballot Hall-of-Famers (Winfield 2001, Murray 2003), and played on the same Cleveland Indians team in '95.




Dave Winfield was a big dude- 6'6" 220 pounds and was the total package on the baseball diamond as he could run, hit, had power, and played quality defense. Winfield was a member of 12 All-Star squads and won 7 Gold Glove awards. He's got some pretty sweet career numbers too: 3110 hits, 1669 runs, 1833 rbi, 465 homeruns, 223 stolen bases, 1093 extra base hits, and a .828 OPS. Dave's career spanned from 1973-1995 for 22 seasons in the bigs debuting with the Padres, and making stops with the Yankees, Angels, Blue Jays (won World Series and '92), Twins, and finally the Indians. Interesting facts- Winfield was a helluva basketball player in college playing for the Minnesota Golden Gophers. He also never played minor league ball, going straight from inking his deal post draft to the San Diego outfield. Dave entered the Hall-of-Fame as a Padre not a Yankee which upset George Steinbrenner...that gets my respect right there! During a game in Toronto in '83, he accidentally hit and killed a seagull while warming up and had to post a $500 bond for the incident.

Eddie Murray poked his head into the majors later than Winfield did, but once he appeared he was there to stay becoming one of the most feared switch hitters of all-time. Murray first showed up on the scene in 1977 playing for Baltimore and it was there that he made himself a talented slugger. Eddie played 21 season in the majors from 1977-1997 starting in with the Orioles and dropping by with the Dodgers, Mets, Angels, and Indians. Murray also won a World Series ring in the battle with my beloved Phillies back in '83. Eddie put up some gaudy stats himself: 3255 hits, 1627 runs, 1917 rbi, 504 homeruns, 1099 extra base hits, and a .835 OPS. He also appeared in 8 All-Star games, was Rookie of the Year in '77, and snagged 3 Gold Gloves at firstbase. Interesting facts- nicknamed Steady Eddie, brother Rich Murray briefly played for the Giants in the 80's, and was the hitting coach for the Dodgers recently.

~Carson

22 comments:

GM-Carson said...

Phils agreed signed Lidge to a 1 year 6.35 million dollar contract and Madson to a 1.4...glad they're not going to arbitration.

Bob D said...

Animal Right advocates were all up in arms about Winfield killing that seagull. Like it was intentional. I live on the shore and we can do with less of the french frie stealin hoodlums. He was a great player and great personality.

BenJah said...

check over those stats and career accomplishments again, corey....and review your claim of mcguire belonging in the hall. the only thing bigmac beats them in is career homers.

GM-Carson said...

I still like the Randy Johnso pegging of that bird mid-flight...feathers everywhere, oh the carnage!

SirAlden said...

For those Dreaming of Kyle Lohse:

"If Kendrick needed any motivation, he could recall the fourth inning of Game 2 of the playoffs against the Colorado Rockies. With the bases loaded, two outs and the Phils ahead by 3-2, manager Charlie Manuel lifted Kendrick for Kyle Lohse.

The righthanded Lohse served up a grand slam, the Phils lost by 10-5, and they were swept two days later."

GM-Carson said...

Not only did that grand slam suck, it was really hurtful coming off the putrid bat of Kaz Matsui.

SirAlden said...

Winfield was the first Mega Contract, and Steinbreiner was banned from Baseball for a few years for fucking with him.

"On July 30, 1990, commissioner Fay Vincent banned Steinbrenner from baseball for life after he paid Howie Spira, a small-time gambler, $40,000 for "dirt" after Winfield sued him for failing to pay his foundation the $300,000 guaranteed in his contract. Subsequently Winfield chose to enter the Hall of Fame as a San Diego Padre. At Yankee Stadium, where a ballgame was being played, word of Steinbrenner's banishment filtering over the transistor radios resulted in a standing ovation from title-starved fans."

Winfield was a 1 (minus 5) Right Fielder in Stat-o-matic, his left and right sides almost identical in hits and power. What was interesting is that all of his Walks were on the card against Left handed Pitchers he did not walk against Righties.

SirAlden said...

When ever fans in the bleachers wanted to have fun with Winfield at away games (he was cool about it), they entire bleacher section in Right Field would stand up and make Wild Seagull Squauks! and Honks! and Flap and Wave their Arms and Pretend to Die!!!!

LOL

SirAlden said...

benjah is right about McGuire... these 2 guys had twice and many HITS, and both were unbelievable DEFENSIVE rocks.

GM-Carson said...

Let's not get into defense, because although McGwire was big and bulky, he was far from a liability at 1st base, and actually won 1 Gold Glove.

I understand the argument against Mark and the Hall, but his power numbers are prolific enough in my eyes to make the difference in him beign accepted.

BenJah said...

bobby abreu also won 1 gold glove.....so fine, lets just forget defense, unless there's no doubt about their amazingness

GM-Carson said...

I said to forget about defense in McGwire's case because he was actually solid around the bag until late in his career. I also want to point out his OPS is .982 (damn fine!).

Abreu was a fine defensive player at one point in his career, but unfortunately he was awarded the Gold Glove in a season where he was undeserving.

SirAlden said...

The White Sox signed Joe Crede a one-year deal Thursday worth $5.1 million, avoiding arbitration.

They announced that Josh Fields will be playing 3B full time this year either in the Majors or the Minors.

I smell some a Crede deal, $5.1 is not horrible for one year.

SirAlden said...

Winfield and Murray got TWICE AS MANY HITS, and were MAJOR, MAJOR, DEFENSIVE SUPER STARS.

GM-Carson said...

I'd take a chance on Crede, but what do we have to surrender in return?

Jarex said...

You didn't mention that Eddie was great in Trading Places, and that Mr. Robinson's Neighborhood was such a classic skit on vintage SNL.

Did anyone see Doug Glanville's piece in the NYT from two days ago? Lines up nicely w/ the steroid discussion that was going on in these parts - here's a link: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/16/opinion/16glanville.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=Glanville&oref=slogin (copy and paste)

Jarex said...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/16/opinion/16glanville.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=Glanville&oref=slogin

Jarex said...

sorry for three straight posts - doesn't seem to let me paste the whole link to Glanville's article. You can find it on the web site.

GM-Carson said...

Don't worry Jarex- I don't know how to put links in the comments section either. I usually try to cut and paste as well, but if the link is too long it gets cut off.

Can someone tell me how to make it a hyperlink?

Skeeter said...

Go see Cloverfield bitches. Saw it at midnight. The monster fucks the shit out of New York. I'm pretty sure Jose Reyes and Billy Wagner die during the attack.

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