Sunday, December 16, 2007

Filling the Aruban Knight Quota

Despite not having a decent season since 2003, the Phils may sign ex-Oriole Sir Sidney Ponson to a minor league contract. Sir Sid, knighted by Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands in 2003, has been absolutely atrocious since signing a FA deal with Baltimore in 2004. However, I'm all for this signing for a few reason. One, it's a minor league deal, so the cost and risk is essentially nothing. Two, he's a knight and Aruban, neither of which are represented by the diversity-lacking Phillies. Three, he's a bad boy. From Wikipedia: "On December 25, 2004, Ponson was arrested in Aruba and charged with assaulting an Aruban judge following an incident about a complaint of Ponson's handling of his powerboat. He spent 11 days in jail, but the charges were dropped after he reached a settlement that included restitution, community service and contributions to local charities on the island. In January 2005, he was charged with driving under the influence in Broward County, Florida. On August 25, 2005, Ponson was arrested for driving under the influence and driving while impaired on southbound Interstate 95 near downtown Baltimore, Maryland."

I'm not for drinking and driving at all, but I am all for putting the smack down on anybody that interferes with your powerboating. I'm also down with blondes and Cristal. The Phillies can always use that sort of attitude on the club.
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OF Option - The Monday Poll
On the heals of Geoff Jenkins, another name has surfaced to fill the outfield vacancy: Mike Cameron. The ex-White Sox/Mariners/Mets/Padres outfielder almost had a two year deal signed with SD, but when an agreement could not be reached the Padres traded for Jim Edmonds, leaving Cameron free sign elsewhere.

Cameron is a fine centerfielder, who hits around .250 with 20+ HR power and lots of strikeouts. The question is: who should the Phillies go after more aggressively, Jenkins or Cameron? Let's compare the options.

Offense: Both players have hit in the .250-.270 range recently, trending downward, with Jenkins having a higher lifetime average. Both players also hit for 20+ homerun power, get on base and slug at similar clips, and strikeout a considerable amount. Cameron separates himself from Jenkins offensively with his speed and ability to steal 20 bases. The obvious difference is the side of the plate they bat on. Cameron would give another RH bat to mix in between Utley and Howard if needed.

Defense: No contest. Cameron is a Gold Glove caliber outfielder and takes this category hands down.

Business: Whatever the exact price, Cameron will need more years and more dollars than Jenkins.

Drugs - Cameron will miss the first 25 games of next season for repeated violation of the league's substance abuse policy. He loves the greenies.

Lineup: Burrell-Cameron-Victorino versus Burrell-Victorino-Jenkins/Werth.

Better OF Option
Cameron
Jenkins
Corey

20 comments:

GreggyD said...

It does suck that the team would be without Cameron for the first 25 games, but signing him would also bring about a permanent fixture in right field whereas we would be looking at a platoon of Jenkins/Werth if Jenkins is brought in. I still am personally very much in favor of bringing in someone who puts Werth back on the bench which is where I believe he belongs. I don't think he has what it takes to be an everyday player. Plus on top of it all, the Phillies would arguably be the best base stealing team in the game with Rollins, Victorino, Utley, and Cameron in the lineup at the same time.

As for Sidney Ponson, he would be a nice insurance policy if someone went down. But then again, he's still probably better than Adam Eaton so bring him on in.

SirAlden said...

Sign Barry Bonds.

Bat him 5th behind Ryan Howard, 4 times a week.

Scary good. :)

BloodStripes said...

Either player looks at being a decent pickup. Although I voted for Jenkins after remembering the filthy blowup that Cameron had for the Padres late last season that cost them dearly. He's mad as a cut snake!
Werth has good numbers against LHP and Jenks is good against RHP. If Charlie can manage it, it seems a good setup. When it comes to fielding, even though the platoon boys are not liabilities they could just let Vic track everything down from center.

SirAlden said...

Whatever happens the Flyin' Hawaii'in
should be put in CenterField and left their to get comfortable and develop.

Pat Burrell needs his help more than using the gun in RF.

Cameron played RF for the Mutts.

Anyone notice how lame the Mutts off-season has been, and how they just raised their ticket prices by 20%!

GM-Carson said...

SirAlden- Phils raised their ticket prices too, and our offseason hasn't been so fantastic so far either.

Cameron is the superior fielder, but Jenkins holds his own in RF too. Because of the 25 games suspension, and Cameron being more expensive, plus I like Jenkins more- my vote was cast for Jenkins.

Ponson is worth the minore league contract, I'm a huge fan of the minor league contract. Other clubs have it work to their benefit all the time.

furiousBall said...

Cameron. I'd rather take a risk on Benson, but it's a toss-up on either guy

GM-Carson said...

I think today is the day that Kris Benson throws for various clubs. If healthy I want him.

BenJah said...

i actually like both players. they will do different things for us so it's hard to tell.

cameron's hitting stats have always been suppressed, having played his career in safeco, shea and petco...3 extreme pitchers parks.

why oh why is ponson's name even discussed here? you know why the phils are doomed to mediocrity and cant ever get over the hump?? b/c they always go after second tier players. do you go to the bar to hit on busted chicks just b/c you know you could get them?? i'd rather get shot down by the ace, if for no other reason than to say i tried. pony up and get someone good. why be afraid of success??

GM-Carson said...

Corey and I are married (to women, not each other) so going to the bar to pick up ladies is lost upon us.

Bob D said...

In reguards to OF some of last years stats for feilding:
Rowand 2 Errors, 995%, 11 Assists
Victorino 3E, 988%, 10A
Werth 2E, 987%, 9A
Burrell 10E, 948%, 8A
Cameron 5E, 987%, 7A
Jenkins 3E, 988%, 7A
Bourn 0E, 1000%, 0A

That is alot of assists by the Phils last year. Werth played only half the innings of the others but had nearly the same # of assists. Bourn who had 0 assists probably has the best arm of them all. Victorino has the 2nd best arm.

Picking up either Cameron or Jenkins or both would keep the OF defense solid. If both are picked up then watch for another trade to happen - likely Burrell which would improve the defense even more despite him having one of the best arms in the league.

On offense:
Rowand 119 SO, 47 BB, 374 OB%, 309 BA, 27 HR.
Cameron 160 SO, 67 BB, 328 OB%, 242 BA, 21 HR.
Jenkins 116 SO, 32 BB, 319 OB%, 255 BA 21 HR.
Burrell 120 SO, 114 BB. 400 OB%, 256 BA, 30 HR.
Victorino 62 SO, 37 BB, 347 OB%, 281 BA, 12 HR.
Werth 73 SO, 44 BB, 404 OB%, 298 BA, 8 HR.
Bourn 21 SO, 13 BB, 348 OB%, 277 BA, 1 HR.

Cameron and Jenkins could replace Rowand but with more strike outs and a lower OB%. Rowand did have his career year while Cameron had an off year.
We will miss Bourn's good eye, speed, but he did have a low OB% for a fast player. Werth had the highest OB%, with decent amount of walks in less ABs then the rest.

Looking at this I feel Werth is worth keeping, but if they add Cameron and Jenkins then I could see Burrell going for better fielding despite losing the high amount of walks and OB%.

GM-Carson said...

From MLBTradeRumors- The Padres' offer to Geoff Jenkins will likely to be inferior to that of the Phillies. So Jenkins would have to be sold on the city. *I hope we get him!

Jacobin said...

I voted for Jenkins. There's no need to sign a drug-suspended player. 25 games is substantial and it really goes beyond that because he won't be used to seeing big league pitching for another two weeks or so following the suspension.

Jarex said...

I vote for Cameron because if we get Favre that will only create more QB controversy.

SirAlden said...

We did not raise ticket prices 20%.

The Mutts so far have not done much offseason. Aside from Harden we have added the best 200 innings of a starter in Myers of any team.

This said, we still need a Top Starter, a Reliever, a Left Handed Right Fielder, and a 3rd Baseman.

This period right after the non-tenders is the best chance to pick up last 3 needs.

GM-Carson said...

SirAlden- aren't the Mets getting a new stadium soon?

SirAlden said...

Yes they are getting a new stadium in 2009. So they are raising the ticket prices during the last year of Shea.

The Mutts seem to be in disarray, been reading the Mutts blogs recently. I see the Mutts as the natural competition for the Phillies, because they can out spend us, and the Braves because they can out think us and sign good old Southern Boys who want to come home and play in Dixie.

The Mutts off season seems to confusing to me ATM.

GM-Carson said...

Jenkins leading with 20 votes to Cameron's 14 in this highly scietific poll we've got going on here at WSBGM's.

GM-Carson said...

It's being reported that both the Mets and Phils have given offers to Kyle Lohse. He's a Scott Boras agent and rumor has it he's seeking 5 years and 55 mil...ah, no thanks!

SirAlden said...

Even 4 years at 8 mil for Lohse is stretching it. UGH!

GM-Carson said...

I think Jenkins is leaning towards Philly, as he came on this site last night and jacked up his vote total to 30.