Tuesday, January 30, 2007

Shortstop

Jimmy Rollins - I'm not a big fan of Jimmy Rollins batting lead-off. I think he is too streaky and doesn't get on base enough to bat there. That being said, I love Jimmy Rollins. His defense is ridiculously underrated by most people. We haven't seen a shorstop with range and hands like this since Ivan DeJesus (not really, just wanted to give a shout out to Ivan, who didn't make the list...) Offensively, Rollins is solid. .280-.290, with double digits homers, 100 runs, and 70-80 driven in. My only compaint with Rollins (his spot in the batting order is not his fault...) is when he had his corn-rows with the massive hangtime, he looked like a woman. Not a good look. I prefer the 'fro.

Larry Bowa - Never got to see Bowa play as a Phillie, but I saw enough of him as a manager to understand what kind of player he must have been. That, along with 2 Gold Gloves, 5 All-Star appearances and finishing 3rd in the MVP voting in 1978 with these numbers - .294-3-43. Minor deduction for playing 14 games with the Mets in '85, but we understand, a man needs to get paid.


Steve Jeltz - a favorite here at WSBGM's, among his career hilights he can list "first pic on pabaseball.blogspot.com" as one of them. A switch-batting shortstop (I refrain from calling him a switch-hitter because couldn't hit a beachball off a tee), Jeltz teamed up with other blog favorite Jaun Samuel for a sweet, jheri-curled middle infield. With a career .210 average, the man is proof that sometimes style does win out over substance.

Kevin Stocker – came up from the minors in ’93 because Jaun Bell couldn’t get the job done. All he did was hit .324 and play stellar D. He gave the Phils a couple decent years after ’93, but his biggest contribution was packing his suitcase and trading places with Bobby Abreu. Nice trade. Apparently, this is what it feels like to play with the Devil Rays…

Dickie Thon – If his name was Ron, he wouldn’t be on this list. But it’s not Ron, it’s Dickie. And Dickie made the list.


Favorite Shortstop
Jimmy Rollins
Larry Bowa
Steve Jeltz
Dickie Thon
Kevin Stocker

Corey

22 comments:

das411 said...

Rollins is the man, but I had to vote for Stock, not just for '93 but because I got to meet him at an ACME a couple years later and the dude was way cool to a punk 10 yr old me. Although to be fair he should also lose points Bowa-style for finishing with the Mets.

BloodStripes said...

Had to vote for Jimmy. He's the coolest.

Stock rocked in '93 but ouch, I never wanna be a Devil Ray. That looks like what it might be like to be a Cardinal. All those salami grabbing h-mo's. Not that there is anything wrong with that right?

Remember this..........
http://morehardball.blogspot.com/2006/08/give-me-hand.html

BloodStripes said...

A little of what Chase Utley said yesterday......"My plan is to stay a Phillie for life,"

"I've really taken to Philadelphia pretty well. They have a beautiful stadium, we have the best fans in the world. It's going to be an exciting year."

What a champion!

GM-Carson said...

Phillies fans are awesome. We boo, we cheer, we hate, we love...we're passionate.

My vote went for Jeltz simply based on the hair. I like J-Roll a lot, and Bowa is a red-ass, so this was a very difficult vote.

I used to called Kevin Stocker "Hot Dog Boy" because he did those silly "Phillies Phranks" commercials during the '94 season while he was still a hot commodity, as quickly he fell.

The Big Dog said...

This is the Big Dog over from Scrapple...love the blog, check it out almost every day...first time, long time...Phillies die-hard. Have to vote for Bowa. That was the best era for Phillies. Plus, once I was out with a bunch of guys in Chicago. Friday Phillies/Cubs, Saturday Notre Dame (who I am lukeward on, PSU/Rutgers fan) v. Purdue the year after Alstott left. Phillies staying in the same hotel as us. My buddy knew Vuke, who actually got us tickets to the Phils game and Phils are staying at our hotel. We see the Phillies staff Saturday morning after breakfast (Fregosi, Vuke, Bowa)...we tell them where we are going and Bowa goes, "Notre Dame better cover". Good stuff. Great blog.

GM-Carson said...

Big Dog- thanks for the compliment, they're always welcomed.

Funny you mention Mike Alstott as he was/is my favorite NFL player. Used to me able to run over people lick a Mack truck.

SteveJeltzFan said...

I'll give you one guess as to who I voted for.

furiousBall said...

Rollins is a great ballplayer, I like his attitude, his glove, arm, and bat. The only thing I don't like is his spot in the line-up. He's the best option I guess we have at the top of the order, but he'd really excel as a 6 spot.

Bowa was all hustle and head. Smart player, knew what it took to win games.

michael said...

Buster Olney mentioned a possible trade of Aaron Rowand to the Padres for a reliever back on January 26th. Turns out the targeted reliever for the Phils was indeed Scott Linebrink. However, any such deal is on hold until springtime. Kevin Towers would like to see how Terrmel Sledge looks in left and how the loss of Linebrink would affect San Diego's bullpen.
from mlbtraderumors.com

thoughts?

oh and i threw a sympathy vote to dickie thon..because his name is dickie thon.

GM-Carson said...

Terrmel Sledge sucks!

Dickie is an awesome name.

Steve Jeltz is a WSBGM's icon.

Skeeter said...

I see a few people saying they voted for bowa or stocker because of that "time." I hope I can read something like this 10 years from now and have people saying "I voted for Rollins because of that magical 2007 season."

GM-Carson said...

Rollins looks like he's 18 years old on the baseball card...what a young lil' whipper-snapper he was.

Skeeter- I'm beginning to get an overall feel of optimism from the fanbase this offseason...which is a good thing, because we have a tendency to be negative at times.

chuckm said...

Having seen Bowa lay back in the day, here is my recollections: As a shortstop, he was very sure-handed, rarely botched or threw away balls, but had nowhere near the range of J-Roll. His offensive #s dont look too gaudy compared to many of todays shortstops, but back in the 80's it was considered a given that shortstops didnt put up offense and were there for defensive purposes. Actually, Larry was the 2nd best offensive shortstop in the NL in the 80's behind Dave Concepcion and he usually ended up as backup All-Star behind Concepcion. Phans liked Larry until he went off publically about fans during the 1980 season. At that time, the Phillies had lost championship series from 1976-78 and backslid in 1979. During late July 1980 they had lost 6 games in a row and were 4 games out and fans and media were seriously on the teams case and dissing them as spoiled players who underachieved and couldnt win. They pulled it together in August and Sept, the rest was history and Bowas cursing of the fans was forgotten.

chuckm said...

correction "back in the *70's* as far as shortstops not being expected to hit

GM-Carson said...

Jimmy is killing the competition thus far in the poll. Quite honestly, he probably will go down as the best short-stop in Phillies history, if he isn't considered that already.

Phils may be in discussions for a long term deal for bruiser Brett Myers.

Gillick has been quoted as to saying the team will most likely head to spring trainig with 6 starting pitchers, but not leave with that many. TRADE LIEBER!!!

Los said...

I watched Bowa play - he was gutty, like most of that 1980 Phillies team was. He didn't have much power at the plate, but he was solid all around.

Bob D said...

Actually these polls are for the best of the last 20-30 years. If we went back further we would be able to vote on others.

Had to go with JRoll, Steve Jeltz remimds me too much of Jeff Stone remember him?

BenJah said...

rollins is sooooo overrated and totally overpaid. i'm not saying i don't want him on the team....i root for burrell too.....but he needs a reality check, and so do most of his fans.

definately would look better batting 6th than 1st or 2nd.

GM-Carson said...

Benjah- I think most people would agree that Rollins is not a prototypical leadoff hitter. However, for the upcoming season he is the best option for the #1 spot in the lineup. Bobby Abreu should have been leadoff for the past 2 seasons he was here, but that's besides the point. Also, I don't think Jimmy is overrated, because he does many things well- runs, pop in his bat, defense. He's a very solid all-around player except for him lack of patience at the plate.

Lake Fred said...

Bowa was a good field, weak hitter, that occassionally had a better year at the bat. His competition in the league was Dave Conception of the Reds who was a better hitter. Neither of these two could hit like Rollins. I voted for Rollins.

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