Thursday, October 26, 2006

Value of Pat Burrell Part Deux

Last week I did a piece on the value of Pat Burrell. I personally think he's a good fit on the Phillies, and am not willing to trade him away for nothing, especially at the expense of eating a portion of his contract. I know my opinion isn't popular with some, as in the comment section of last week's post you were all but calling for his head. Look at it this way, Burrell did us a favor, if he would have accepted that trade to the O's, we'd now have an 18-game loser Rodrigo Lopez on our staff...no thanks! I'd rather have Burrell's near .900 OPS with 29 homeruns and 95 rbi. Keep in mind those numbers were produced on a gimp foot, fragile wrist, and crushed ego. Did Burrell disappoint? Sure.
Does Burrell cause a clog on the basepaths that Drano and Liquid Plumr couldn't fix? Well, yeah. Does he blankly stare at 3rd strikes pass him by with more regularity than Stevie Wonder would? Ok, yes. It's even been suggested that Burrell is not a team player, and does not fit the mold of the new "gritty, go get 'em" Phillies. Fans often complain about his lofty contract which brought on lofty expectation...unfulfilled expectations thus far.

Burrell has other attributes that we're not paying close enough attention to. For example, the Phillies are smart in paying him every pretty penny of that 12 million because he needs it for his night life habits. And don't go thinking Pat's the only one benefiting from a little T&A at the strip club, a happy ending at the massage parlor, or endless amounts of alcohol being gulped at local pubs. Oh no, he lets his friends in on the action too. Rookie Chris Coste is a goofy looking butt-nugget, so Burrell often befriends him for a night out on the town and allows him to use his tab. See that Burrell is a team player, he just gives and gives and gives...just any of the girls at Show & Tell. Burrell is all about having a good time, and that's exactly what he does. He goes out nightly, gets blitzed out of his mind, finds a fine lady, and rattles her cage, then gives her money for a cab afterwards...good man. And you want to trade this playa away?
~Carson

24 comments:

GM-Carson said...

12 million is just too much to pay for what you get in return. burrell is my favorite player, but right now, i would be in favor of a dump.

corey

GM-Carson said...

Corey- the only "dump" you need is on the pot...so go park your butt on the toilet!

The real reason I don't want Burrell dealt is because it will cost too much to do so. Here's the likely scenario- we trade Burrell, and the Phils eat a portion of his salary, say 4 million. We then go and sign a replacement that is not as good for roughly 6-8 mil, then add that 4 mil from Burrell's contract and you have the same stinking amount of money being spent on a lesser player. The only reason I would want Burrell traded is if the Phils aren't on the hook for part of his salary and can get something useful in return. Replacing Burrell with Conine would spell disaster!

~Carson

GM-Carson said...

"Phils aren't on the hook for part of his salary and can get something useful in return. "

won't happen. either he stays or the phils take it like David Bell.

don't forget next year's salary increases again, it truly is a drain.

corey

GM-Carson said...

Burrell's salary is 12 mil next season I believe. And that is too much for him. But I look it as if we trade him we're going to have to replace him, and that costs money too, plus add the portion of Burrell's contract on top of that and you're still looking at a high amount of money.

Just an example- we sign Preston Wilson for 5 mil. We eat 4-5 mil of Burrell's contract. That's now 9-10 mil the Phils are essentially paying for Wilson without as good as production as they could have gotten from Burrell.

I'm not trying to justify Burrell's contract, as it's outrageous. I'm just trying to justify a reason to keep him. I'd hate to see an outfield of Rowand, Victorino, and Conine...that's just scary bad!

~Carson

BloodStripes said...

If Burrell shouts the other players alcohol fueled good times most nights of the week I reckon he will be kept on the team. Gillick likes a party animal. High Times Dubee was kept for his ganja supplies so Burrell will also be retained for big nights at the pub. On the social side of things the Phillies are totally sorted. They need Pat Burrell.

GM-Carson said...

BloodStipes- thanks for seeing the bigger picture (*wink*wink).

In all honesty, I just did this post to get a few laughs and brew some more controversy...good times.

~Carson

BloodStripes said...

Always good times here at WSBGM's!!!

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BloodStripes said...

I'm all for keeping Pat Burrell now. You have stated some very good reasons to keep him. No point in paying him several million to play for another team. A trade for similar production probably isn't worth the bother. Lets give him another year or at least to trade deadline and see how he goes. If fit and healthy he oughtta pick it up a bit.

GM-Carson said...

Burrell is a decent player. The reason Phillies fans get mad at him, is because they get the opportunity to scrutinize him more by viewing him more. If he were on another team that we didn't get to watch as much, we would think he's awesome.

~Carson

Los said...

Seriously, I would've taken my chances with Lopez - 18 game losers in the AL tend to turn into 15 game winners in the NL.

BenJah said...

i like the idea of getting something USEFUL for burrell if we can and resigning dellucci, but i'm just as happy to keep burrell and bat him sixth. if he comes back healthy he could be really good again. of course, if houston loses out on carlos lee, maybe the phils can ship burrell and cash down there for ensberg, then resign dellucci. that would be pretty good (not great) but fills more holes for the same money.

also, the man-love for aram has to be reigned in. this is not a video game, this is not fantasy...this is real life. if we get him, i'll party and lead his fan club, but until then let's try to be more creative and less drooling.

GM-Carson said...

Los- I was wondering when you were going to come on and blast this post. I know you hate Burrell.

Now I'm waiting for Rev to come and tell me how bad Burrell is.

You gotta love Burrell's night life habits though, the man is a party animal!

GM-Carson said...

Benjah- that's why I'm starting the "Brotherhood Platoon" rumor for the Phils at 3rd. Bring back Charlie Hayes and Kim Batiste...minor upgrade over Nuni and probably more realistic than A-Ram becoming a Phil. Although, I'm still keeping the man-love going on for A-Ram, with the glimmer of hope we can land him.

~Carson

Bob D said...

Would that be called a Core(y) Dump?

Bob D said...

The only likely trade of Burrell would be to Seattle for Beltre. He earned 13 mil I believe, a straight up trade would move that salary to 3B on someone who probably has move upside. He has fallen out of favor on the west coast so a change of scenery would do both good. Now if we can get past the no trade clause.
Also this team can absorb one more large contract. Will that be the 5th starter (it would have to be a good one), the 3B (and keep Burrell), or another OF (say Soriano if Burrell is moved)??? The bullpen arms won't be expensive. Rhodes and Santana won't be back so there is 5 mil to work with. So I could see Gillick work Burrell into a trade for Beltre, resign Wolf (6-7 mil plus performance bonuses -lets not forget he was injured most of the year), and sign Soriano in a bold move. Soriano bat 5th, Beltre 6th, Rowand or Victorino 7th, Catchers 8th, Wolf 9th and pinch hit every game.

Bob D said...

Corey & Carson - with both of you under one blog name I feel I am talking to someone with a split personality. It's Awesome!

LOL

BenJah said...

Bob D -- see, that's the video game mentality i'm talking about! i'm not saying it's not a good idea, i'm saying it's not going to happen so don't waste the energy.

also, just b/c we can absorb another contract doesn't mean we should. save the money for the deadline, or even stash it for next year when we have to sign howard and utley to sMEGA-buck deals to keep them on the team.

GM-Carson said...

Benjah- nice job working "smegma" into your comment. Your theory about saving payroll flexibility until the deadline is a moot point if the Phils don't get the proper players alligned to produce and winn for the season leading up to Trading Deadline. I'm not saying this team needs a Soriano, A-Ram, or Zito, but we need more than we have now. We need a reliable 5th starters, so bullpen parts, and a 3rd baseman that can hit the ball further than a Juan Pierre bunt.

Bob D- sometimes Corey and I think alike, but in the case of Burrell it is classic split personality.

~Carson

Maria said...

Away with Burrell. I'm sure it won't be hard to bring Soriano in here. I actually heard the Phillies are one of few teams making a serious run at Soriano.

The Phillies should focus on 1 more SP and a few relievers because pitching wins games...not offense. (well most of the time and especially in the playoffs)

BenJah said...

phans these days don't seems to know which way is up, down, left or right....i hear "burrell sucks, he keeps striking out" then i hear "soriano would be great protection!" howard and utley were ranked 2 and 16, respectively in strike outs for all of MLB last year. is bringing in soriano, 5th on that list, really going to be good protection?? -- PS: burrell was 18th.

GM-Carson said...

Strikeouts suck, but they happen. People do seem to have selective memory when they think back on last season. Yes Burrell strikes out, but so do other players.

So when Burrell is traded away, and we replace him with someone worse, I don't want to hear anybody bitch that wanted Burrell gone. It's fine that you feel that way about Burrell, but anyone short of Soriano or Carlos Lee are going to disappoint, and those 2 might disappoint as well because apparently Burrell's numbers suck.

~Carson

Maria said...

I just feel like the Phillies need to get rid of Burrell and just start over with the young players they have and the veterans they added. Soriano would be a breath of fresh air. He's has more speed and power. He's also quicker in the OF. I believe his defense to be much more complete.

& Pat Burrell led the Majors in strikeouts looking. I'd rather have them striking out swinging than looking.

Bob D said...

Lets not forget that Burrell put up those stats only playing 3/4 of the time. He left early many times and was benched every once in awhile for Victorino or Delluci. If these new coaches wear off on him and he gets a little more aggressive at the plate, he could up his average by 20 points - thus upping his production.

So I am not in favor of dumping him, but if the right senario came along then I would trade him.

GM-Carson said...

Excellent point about Burrell's playing time Bob D.

It was one season of some disappointing situations, as we're quick to forget his very nice '05. If you guys want to write Burrell off and trade him away, that is your opinion and you're entitled to it, and I respect it. However, I just don't agree with it.

Now if Soriano is added that's a whole different situation, one that I'd be willing to give a go, but that's yet to be determined.

Good discussion by all on here today. I like how we can voice our opinions, joke around, but still feel as though we've been heard.

~Carson