Tuesday, October 24, 2006

Tag Team Tuesdays: Hamels & Moyer

Back with another enthralling edition of Tag Team Tuesdays, and this week I'm giving you a mix of the young and the old. The young being our ace in the making Colbert Hamels, or as we call him Cole. Cole was a rookie at the age of 22 last year and had his share of growing pains. He didn't really start pitching awesome until his mentor, Jaime Moyer, came along. Hamels had an ERA of 2.43 in August and 2.78 in September, both months while the crafty change-up artist Moyer was spitting knowledge into young Hamels' ear. Hamels will most likely be the 1st or 2nd starter next year and is well on his way towards becoming an all-time great Phillies pitcher.
Hamels will continue to progress next season, but if he stays healthy, there's no reason not to predict somewhere in the neighborhood of 15-20 wins with a nice and tidy ERA to boot, because with the seething heater, dropping curve, and halting change-up the sky is the limit with this kid. Not to mention his soon to be wife is fricken hot!

The old as previously mentioned is Sir Jaime Moyer. He's old like my dad, but with a better arm...barely. Seriously, I think Corey can still crank out a pitch faster than this dinosaur. Moyer may soft toss, but he's effective. The Phillies just recently inked the 43 year old to a 2 year cotract extension, I thought only Julio Franco was capable of such things. Moyer will be 45 when the deal expires, but I'm all for keeping him around. Rich "High Times" Dubee is the current pitching coach and quite honestly isn't good for anything besides a supply of ganja, so Moyer is more like the actual coach with Dubee being the frat boy that keeps everyone loose and with the "munchies" (which might explain Lidle's snack habits). There's more to Moyer than his science of pitching, his arm has value too. Moyer isn't a slouch either, he pitched fairly well with the Phils and will be a solid #4/5 starter next season, most teams would love to have him for that. His career 216 wins aren't shabby and 6 consecutive seasons of 200+ innings are nice too.
From this day onward, the tag team of Hamels and Moyer will be referred to as The Strike Force. I went deep into the chasms of WWF history to find a fitting title to match this strike chucking tandem, and hence the homo-ish looking pic of The Strike Force above, or separately Tito "El Matador" Santana and Rick "the Model" Martel...wow!

And who said that wrestlers and frat boys are latently homosexual?

~Carson

25 comments:

BloodStripes said...

This tag team friendship of Hamels and Moyer is great to see. Having Moyer signed up again should really help the Phils and Colbert in particular. An unlikely Strike Force duo but an excellent one at that. Hamels with the youth and enthusiasm and Moyer with the cool, calm and collected experience.

Dig the Dubee jokes. ROTFLMAO. Tito Santana was my WWF favourite. A legend! Lots of things from the '08's look homo-ish. You so GAY!

BloodStripes said...

Strange decade the 08's. I meant the '80's of course.

GM-Carson said...

People probably think we're homo-phobes, but truth is, we're not, we just find making jokes about it funny. And funny is what we're all about, that and the Phillies of course.

BloodStripes said...

For comedy, its open slather on everyone and everything on earth. You gotta laugh and have fun. Besides, I'm sure gay people would be first to admit that lots of stuff in the '80's was very gay. Wham, George Michael, Choose life t-shirts and all that fluro. Shit that was bad. In saying that, the 80's was awesome for Punk rock and hardcore music. For every reaction there is an adverse and opposite reaction.

Anyway back to the Tag Team. Great post today DQ. These 2 have already created the odd story with their friendship. The tale will ultimately grow now with Moyer resigned. They are at opposite ends of the scale in terms of pitching and could really baffle teams in any given series. Moyer one day(5th starter)Hamels the next(ace 1st starter). Kill 'em boys!

Feel the force. Feel it. On course. Strike Force!

GM-Carson said...

I'm glad someone else sees the value in having a soft-tosser in Moyer mixed in with fastball guys like Myers and Hamels...that'll really throw the opposing team for a loop.

BenJah said...

i hope hamels is good, i hope he is great....b/c he has been seriously overhyped. phans have a knack for doing that to their best prospects: rollins was overhyped, and now is overrated, marlon byrd too...at least utley and howard came through, but you'd think they were curing cancer and feeding hungry babies in 3rd world countries in their spare time w/ the kind of press these guys get. i hope hamels is good, but its hard to say he's an all time great when he can't even use a bagel knife properly.

GM-Carson said...

Benjah- I agree that my "all-time great" comment is much along the lines of pre-ejaculation. But I think hyping guys is a good thing for the team...especially with guys like J-Roll, Utley, and Howard, the team needs too press.

Los said...

My god - I never thought I'd see a Strike Force picture again!

Good point with the pitching coach issues - Moyer seems to be a much better teacher than Lieber.

dane said...

i just realized why the phillies signed jamie moyer to a 2 year deal. he will pitch the first year then replace rich dubee as pitching coach for the second. Wouldn't that be great.

GM-Carson said...

Hamels and Moyer have acknowledged they've formed a bond...hence Strike Force (assuming they continue to pitch strikes). Moyer is an adequate pitcher that gives his team a chance to win, and his knowledge is going to continue to help Hamels. I'm very hopeful of Hamels based on his amazing minor league #'s. He showed flashes of star status last season, and hopefully is geared up an entire season of dominance come April.

GM-Carson said...

I've been going around reading others' feeling about the Moyer deal and for the most part people like it. Like Corey did in his post yesterday, you must consider what 5 million buys you in today's baseball world. Moyer is decent. He's not great, but we could have left him go back to Seattle and been looking at 2 holes in the rotation instead of just 1 now.

Next major area of concern- 3rd base!!!

Keep our LF, unless we can get equal value in return via trade (unlikely).

BENTZ said...

It seems like Gillick has something planned up his sleeve. He could be blowing smoke and want to trade Burrell to Seattle for Beltre, but I don't know if Burrell will waive his no-trade clause for the Pacific Northwest. Why do I get the feeling that Burrell will still be here next year, but NOT be the big right-handed bat behind Howard?

GM-Carson said...

Imagine if Burrell were still with the club next season and wasn't the big right-handed bat protecting Howard. Burrell would be a great 6-hole hitter. If Gillick can land a dependable batter this offseason and keep Burrell we'll be flippin' sweet next season!

Burrell, Howard, Utley, and Rollins already have power...add another bat to that and you have a prolific offense!

BENTZ said...

Either catcher can hit the ball out of the park too. I'm starting to come around on keeping Burrell. I'm using Aramis Ramirez as my example for this lineup, but it could be Beltre or Crede or anyone else.

1. Rollins - SS
2. Victorino - RF
3. Utley - 2B
4. Howard - 1B
5. Ramirez - 3B
6. Rowand - CF
7. Burrell - LF
8. Coste/Ruiz - C
9. Pitcher

I'm okay with flipping Rowand and Burrell if need be.

GM-Carson said...

I like that lineup alot, but would flip Burrell and Rowand. Imagine the amount of runs the Phils will rack up!

BENTZ said...

Either Ramirez or Beltre would be fantastic behind Howard. I've heard Crede's name potentially, but his bat isn't as explosive. I'd take him though - good clutch hitter. Let's face it, either way, people are still going to pitch around Howard. They pitched around Bonds with Jeff Kent (an MVP candidate in his prime) hitting behind him. However, the #5 hitter, whoever it is, must be able to do two things: 1. come through in situations where they walk Howard and 2. be or become enough of a threat that pitchers figure it's damned if you do, damned if you don't, and just pitch to Howard.

BENTZ said...

Also, let's look at the bench with my potential line-up. Off the bench you'd have Conine, a speedy outfielder (Bourn or Roberson), your non-starting catcher that night (Coste or Ruiz), probably Nunez since he's signed, and then some free agent with a decent stick (like a Randall Simon type) with power. Another potential, if the price isn't too steep, would be to acquire Johnny Estrada from AZ and keep both Ruiz and Coste. Then Coste and Conine become your big pinch hitters and Coste can back up Estrada, Howard and Ramirez/Beltre. Ruiz is your true back-up catcher, but you can then pinch hit Coste and not be worried about not having a catcher left in case of injury, ejection or fight to the death against Scott Olsen.

BenJah said...

speed is more valuable at the bottom of the lineup than at the top, so if we had a righty capable of hitting fourth (NOT ramirez, but maybe a healthy burrell) i'd hit howard 3 and utley 5th. even if they did pitch around howard, he would be protected and give the other hitters RBI opportunities. utley is a better allaround hitter, so putting him in the 5 hole makes the lineup really strong.

BenJah said...

Bentz -- you make good points, dude, but you have to stop arranging your lineup like ramirez or beltre are sure things...or even good ideas. we don't need someone with that kind of name recognition, and we probably couldn't get them w/out opening up a million other holes in the lineup.

here's a lineup for 2007, w/ the 2004 version of burrell(healthy) and w/out an expensive 3rd baseman. far from perfect, but just to stoke the fire:

RF - victorino
3b - atkins/punto/mora
1b - howard
LF - burrell
2b - utley
ss - rollins
cf - rowand
C - coste/ruiz

GM-Carson said...

Benjah- it is going to be tough to pry Atkins away from Colorado, especially after this past season he had...he was awesome! Mora signed a contract extension during the season, and I think he has 3 more years with the O's. Punto is a form Phil, and although he's better than Nunez, I don't exactly get excited when I hear his name mentioned.

I know A-Ram will cost a butt-load of greenbacks to sign, but he's awesome. I doubt Gillick lands him though.

Crede is decent, but we're only getting him through a trade. Same with Beltre.

Mike Lowell might be made available, but he's not a sure thing either.

There's always Joe Randa or David Bell. According to Chris Wheeler "they do all the little things right"...bullshit!

Bottom line- 3rd base needs addressed right quick!
~Carson

BenJah said...

well, that takes away all the guys we know....this 3rd base thing is going to take more creativity than first thought.

the little things, huh? like tie their shoes properly and wear their jersey right-side-out?

Bob D said...

I forgot that Morgan Ensberg maybe available in Houston as they have Aubrey Huff as well. He did have 23hrs/ 58 rbi in 387 abs. However he hit 235 with 96 SO and 101 BB. But that is one year removed from a 283 ba/ 36 hr/ 101 rbi in 526 abs. Imagine those numbers in Citizen Bank Park. I don't know if the Phils would make a good trade partner with Houston but its a thought. Beltre and Crede are much more likely for the Phils.

Bob D said...

Oh Benjah, you forgot the jock strap goes on before the their pants. Or is it vise-versa?

Maria said...

It's a sexy tag team. Seriously though, nezt year I really think the Phillies are going to be good. SP is getting sorted out and Gillick will probably make good things happen.

GM-Carson said...

Maria- I like you optimism, and I'm optimistic about next season too. Usually in regards to the Phillies I'm a pessimist, but I like what Gillick is doing right now.

3rd base is the major position of concern for me, and Gillick has acknowledged that he will be looking a replacement of the much maligned Nuni.

More about Morgan Ensberg- you must remember he plays in a hitter friendly park too, so his #'s wouldn't really benefit from a stay at the CIT. He had a solid '05, but then was exposed in the playoffs, and it carried over to last season. He needs to make adjustments if he plans on returning to a quality player. But it is possible. I don't think he'd cost too much through a swap either.

~Carson